The issues surrounding Family Dollar coming to our neighborhood have caused a lot of debate. There are many factors to consider and not all of them are obvious. I think preserving what makes our neighborhood unique should be at the forefront of our decisions.
Let me start out by saying that I understand and share many of your fears. When you start a new business that you are passionate about, many factors could put that investment at risk. The best way to provide security for that business and the employees that depend on it is to grow that business as quickly as possible. Anything that might impede that is seen as a threat. As home owners many of you have already seen the homes you have invested so much in threatened by an unstable market. Any change to the area is suspect. The careless development of Seminole Heights could have unforeseen consequences on the neighborhood and its residents.
I am not a booster for Family Dollar. I think they have become a symbol of a larger issue in our neighborhood that needs to be addressed but before I do, let me talk about some of your concerns regarding FD. These were gleaned from the various threads on Seminole Heights Patch over the past several days.
Family Dollar will bring traffic.
Most restaurants get one delivery a week from their main distributor for staple items, condiments, and disposables. They get several other deliveries from specialty vendors for produce and seafood and such. They get weekly deliveries from their beer and wine distributors and their soda distributor. They also get dumpsters emptied twice a week and periodic service and repair calls. The bars receive similar beer and wine deliveries and service calls.
Several business owners have expressed an interest in turning the Florida Avenue corridor into a ‘destination’. This means bringing people from all over the bay area to shop, eat, and drink. Afterwards they will drive home, unfamiliar with our streets.
Small retail establishments like FD usually get one truck a week from their central warehouse containing most of what they sell. A few items like soda and snack cakes are delivered by their own trucks.
With so many FD stores around town our FD will not be a destination for anyone but our neighbors. In fact I believe that FD will actually REDUCE traffic east of Florida Avenue because residents from the west side will no longer have to cross over to visit the FD stores on Nebraska.
FD will negatively effect parking.
I agree whole heartedly. While the lot has plenty of parking for FD’s customers, it will negatively affect parking for a business that opened with absolutely no plan for parking of their own. When Cappy’s opened they had few parking spaces. It soon became an issue and they secured an agreement to use the lot across from their location for overflow parking. When the Independent opened they had no parking. They used Cappy’s lot until it became an issue. The nearest available parking was the lot were the proposed FD store will go. The management of the Independent made an agreement to use that lot but now that the lot is selling that agreement seems to be invalid. With no other lot available near by, this could be a disaster for the Independent. It is no coincidence that the owner of the Independent is one of the main opponents of FD. I ask this- should FD and the neighbors who may choose to use it be punished and vilified because a local business owner didn’t have all of their ducks in a row? Further more is this disregard for adequate parking regulations any different than FD’s alleged use of loop holes to keep opening costs down? As long as local business owners want to make Seminole Heights a destination, parking will be an increasingly important issue.
FD is a corporation with low pay, no benefits, and has been fined $35 million for labor violations.
This is the reality of many low skill jobs like bar tending and waitressing, too. With the rise in popularity of cooking shows on cable many culinary schools have seen a huge rise in enrollment. The market has been flooded with more trained help than ever before, many of them with student debt to pay off, yet food industry wages have barely risen in years. I’ve worked in many restaurants but the only time I was ever offered benefits was at a large corporate chain. The same is true for small retail outlets. Unless the local businesses offer higher than average pay and benefits this is not an issue.
As far as worker protection goes FD is actually far superior. Many small locally owned shops are exempt from labor laws applying to larger businesses. The fact that FD was fined $35 million for violations is proof of that. For an employee to seek justice from a small employer they must pay a filing fee with the wage and labor board. Even if several employees went after an unscrupulous employer it wouldn’t amount to enough to attract a lawyer willing to work on contingency. Wronged workers with a large corporation will have lawyers lining up to take their case as a class action suit and make a fortune. The sheer size of a large corporation almost guarantees a certain level of scrutiny and transparency that a small business never faces.
I understand your distrust of big business. I know that issue is why some of you are involved. If that was the only issue I’d be right there with you, but it isn’t. The fact that one of the main opponents of FD in the business community stands to loose quite a bit if FD gets built is suspicious. The fact that a bunch of middle class folks on Facebook claim to represent the whole neighborhood is suspicious. The fact that quite a few of the NFD people have made references to the undesirable nature of FD’s customer base or a vague threat to their own safety but refuse to explain what they mean is suspicious. The fact that no one has been door to door in my area is suspicious.
I know some of you. You are leaders and community media representatives. You are liberals and artists and free thinkers. Do you really think taking a stand against a corporation is worth alienating or making decisions for your neighbors or allying yourself with people who do?
FD is not well maintained and doesn’t match the aesthetic being pursued by the newer businesses.
While it is true that the FD stores in some areas are in a sad state, many stores outside our area are in fine shape. Has FD been bad for the Nebraska Avenue corridor or has Nebraska been bad for FD? Nebraska has just barely curtailed their prostitution and crime problems, is still full of transient housing, and has a much larger drug presence than we do. The two areas cannot be compared. Our FD will serve our neighbors and will reflect how much civic pride they are made to feel. Will they feel the pride of inclusion and belonging or the contempt of the disenfranchised?
As for the aesthetic concerns I can only point out that the building is currently in a complete state of neglect with peeling paint, old commercial vehicles parked on the side in plain view, and foliage growing out of the roof. That is the state that the tenants have let it be in for quite a while. These are 'desirable' tenants in creative field and yet they let the building deteriorate. Greg Baker has expressed concern that a new FD will ruin the view from his restaurant. Will Family Dollar really be worse? There are a few other businesses in need of some paint as well. Those who live in flakey houses shouldn’t throw stones.
FD will displace several local businesses and cost many jobs.
From what I’ve heard some of the displaced businesses are staying in the area and none are going out of business so no jobs will be lost. What about the money and resources saved by all of us by having a FD store close by?
Family Dollar does not meet the needs of our neighborhood.
Family Dollar is a five and dime selling a wide variety of products used by most people on a daily basis. No other local business can claim to serve a larger potential market. The bike shop will not sell you a shiny new sidewalk bike with training wheels for your kid or replacement parts for your mountain bike because they specialize in a very specific type of road bike. I recently called the record shop to inquire about three artists in the top ten pop music chart. I was told that they didn’t have it and they suggested I try another shop outside the area. A business concerned with serving their community may have offered to order it or tried to find something similar. I guess music that’s popular with average Americans doesn’t fit the hip image of the new Seminole Heights. I know from experience that if you enjoy popular beers like Guinness or Budweiser you will be disappointed at the Independent. Unless all of your neighbors ride fixies, listen to dubstep, enjoy exotic beer, and use expensive specialty salon products, perhaps the hip new businesses don’t meet the needs of our neighborhood as well as they think they do.
800+ likes on FB proves that our neighborhood doesn’t want a Family Dollar.
The NFD folks have done a great job of organizing and mobilizing their people using Facebook. The problem is that not every one uses FB. FB is overwhelmingly middle class. Does the NFD group have a Myspace page? Have they used any other method to reach out to their neighbors who don’t use social media?. Why are there not any NFD signs in Spanish? If they haven’t reached out to all of us how can they claim to represent the majority?
Why can’t we have a _______ in the space instead?
Because no one was willing to invest the money to put one there.
We already have enough FD locations in walking distance.
That’s relative. Are you overweight, handicapped, or elderly? Do you choose to walk or do you have to walk? Walking three hot and cranky kids to the store in August to buy necessities is very different than walking your dog up to buy fancy biscuits or leisurely strolling the tree lined sidewalks of your neighborhood.
Family Dollar will prevent other hip businesses from moving here.
By other hip businesses do you mean more specialty shops that don’t have anything to offer the majority of our residents or perhaps more bars? Does our neighborhood have room for people who are so judgmental that the presence of a five and dime causes them to run away shrieking? If these new businesses can’t coexist with a discount store how will they be inclusive of all of our residents? Family Dollar won’t drive away businesses that are good for us but they just may help filter out some of the businesses that we could do without.
Family Dollar’s customer base doesn’t fit the target demographic of the type of businesses we are trying to encourage.
This doesn’t even deserve a response but I’ll just say this- If these businesses look at FD customers as undesirable how will they look at you or your neighbors? I shop at FD regularly and I'm glad to know that I'm not the kind of customer some of our local businesses are looking for. It really helps me decide where to spend my money and where I recommend my friends and family go.
Family Dollar sells primarily cheap Chinese imports.
Those cows are long gone so quit trying to close the barn door. Unless you can explain what you did to stop the exodus of American manufacturing in the 80’s or you have a real solution, don’t waste your time. China is where stuff is made now. I have given up trying to find some things from American manufacturers. We lost that one long before most of us had even heard of a Family Dollar and they are surely not to blame.
Again I want to repeat that this wasn’t written to convince you that Family Dollar is the best thing that could possibly happen to us. I wrote this to respond to some of the misconceptions and unfounded fears. As I said earlier, I think FD has become a symbol of something bigger that needs to be addressed. Do we want our area of town to be a neighborhood or an entertainment destination? Do we want the decisions about the future of Seminole Heights to be determined solely by businessmen and property owners? What will happen to our quiet neighborhood if more people are drawn to it? What good are rising property values if you are staying and making a home? What good is a bustling business corridor catering to hipsters if you’re not a hipster?
Tune in next time for the second part of this article where I tell the sad and cautionary tale of a naïve young man who watched paradise bloom, wither, and be sold off to the highest bidder.

Chuck Stephens
7:59 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
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Lance White
8:35 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
Thanks for your honestly. I live in Seminole Heights (closer to the trash on Nebraska) and I wish the effort would go into cleaning up the whore house hotels and sexual predators setting up residence in those very locations.
Chuck Stephens
9:49 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012
Well, I posted a link to these articles on the NFD FB page and it got deleted. I guess they don't like debate or openness. It appears they also disabled public comments. Way to represent the majority, guys. Join the cause that's unafraid of different opinions- www.facebook.com/shredseminoleheights
Lance White
9:23 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Just liked your facebook page. I need to go back to the NFD FB page myself to see if my wife's and my comments are still there.
Michelle Arnold
4:32 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Chuck,
Thank you for your insight. I must note that you mentioned something above about "walking your dog to buy fancy biscuits", which was a comment I made on an earlier patch discussion taken completely out of context. The point I was attempting to make was, there is, in fact, a five and dime less than a half mile from the proposed site of the future FD location (Sav A Lot). Unless you are lucky enough to own a home in the direct vicinity of the new site, the difference in walk would be negligible, cranky kids (an ornery terrier can be equally difficult lol) or not. That being said, I actually agree with many of your points above. However, for the future, please try not to make condescending or disparaging comments regarding "overpriced soaps", "fancy biscuits", "what good business owners would do" etc. in an attempt to prove your points. Attacking your fellow neighbors by calling them "elitists" (I'm a new one! I researched long and hard before deciding on purchasing a bungalow SH and so far I love it!) and the local business owners who have put time and money into improving your (and my) neighborhood is not a good way to build community. There is definitely a rift now; I was previously well on the other side, but your post has made me reconsider some of my beliefs, and I thank you for bringing some of those things to my attention. Let's not deepen the rift. Looking forward to many, many more years living in SH!
Chuck Stephens
9:00 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
These boutiques are fine but their prices are higher and that puts them out of the range of some folks. It's a lot easier to vote with your dollars and support the little guy when you have the spare income. Some of our neighbors are not that fortunate.
When I talk about what good business owners would do I mean it. Some of them have other motives than just improving the neighborhood. Are we to believe them when they say that they have our best interests at heart? Remember- the only reason Family Dollar is coming to Florida Avenue is because a local business owner sold them the property. What happens next time when, instead of FD, it's local strip club baron Joe Redner or Ybor City club owner/developer Jack Shriver? People like to make money and there's nothing wrong with that but if we want to preserve what's unique about our neighborhood we have to be very careful and consider the long-term effects. Some of the NFD crowd have made comments that are classist ('FD customers can't afford the local shops anyway'), elitist ('FD will bring the wrong element') and racist (any reference to 'ghetto', 'hood rat', etc.). I posted a link to this blog post to the NFD facebook page. It was removed and I was blocked. I was told by their representative that we were at war and they were not going to waste resources on entertaining debate. If there is a rift I've been trying to build a bridge over it while some of the NFD guys are digging trenches and shelling it.
Michelle Arnold
4:35 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
I'd also like to say that Kendra (the owner of Health Mutt on Central Ave) will order you ANYTHING she does not carry! She is the epitome of an excellent business owner and an asset to our community!
Michelle Arnold
9:58 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Hi again,
I agree with you. I began doubting the message the NFD was sending when I read and overheard some of the comments that were being used on the message boards/FB pg etc. I was just trying to make the point that not everyone who is involved in the discussion, or even everyone who is against FD at that location - homeowner, renter, or business owner alike - feels that way or agrees with those sentiments. I still contend that our neighborhood is over-saturated with these types of shops and don't particularly think a new one should go up, but it's not my decision and I'm not going to freak out about it or stop going to the surrounding shops once it's there. I DO worry about home values, being a new home-owner, so of course I'm going to be suspicious of shops like that popping up around me when my only experience (with FD in particular) has been pretty bad. I used to live in Tampa Heights when the FD went up on Columbus and Tampa St and WHAT a disaster that was within just months of opening. And in a neighborhood that was also trying to rebuild and spruce up. Hopefully FD will maintain the property and it won't be an issue.
Chuck Stephens
10:23 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Family Dollar is a mirror held up to its surroundings. The fact that there are so many FD stores in town means that they just cater to the neighborhood they're in. The reason the Nebraska Avenue stores are so trashy is because that was a trashy area to begin with, full of flop house motels, hookers and drugs. Our neighborhood isn't like that. Like I said, FD wasn't bad for Nebraska Ave., Nebraska was bad for FD. As far as property values go, FD should raise property values in the immediate vicinity. When ever a property sells that high above value it affects other nearby properties. As people concerned with the quality of our neighborhood, we shouldn't want to see our property values increase too quickly. For anyone concerned with staying here and building a future, increased property values just mean higher taxes and insurance rates. The folks most worried about property values are the ones looking to sell and recoupe their losses from the downturn. Quite a few folks ended up here because they couldn't flip their investment property and moved in instead. While they have every right to buy and sell freely in an open market, their fears and concerns might not match those who want to settle down here. My number one priority is the quality of life for the folks who live here. The interests of those seeking to profit from my neighborhood come a distant second. If you want to make a home here than we are on the same side.