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The NRA's Meaningful Contribution to Prevent Gun Violence

 

The NRA's meaningful contribution to preventing further gun violence: fear mongering and finger pointing, demonizing the media, the mentally ill, law enforcement agencies and politicians – with a call for more armed citizens and guards deployed in every school in America.

   In 1962 when I was a six-year-old first grader in Ohio, the last thing my parents ever worried about was a crazed gunman entering our small town school and killing me or my classmates. Back then, in our little town at least, most home owners didn't feel the need to even lock their doors at night. Let alone the necessity of having a gun for home protection. Of course, back then also the proliferation of guns and high powered assault weapons was unheard of in our country and military grade weapons were only in the hands of the military personnel and not in the hands of civilians. Oh, how times have changed from those simpler and much more idyllic times. Today, due in large part to the NRA and their very effective advocacy for the proliferation of all guns in our society, we are faced with a very different paradigm indeed.

   Yesterday's national press conference by the NRA with their Executive Vice-President Wayne LaPierre acting as spokesman was meant to provide us with insight into what meaningful contribution his organization will provide to prevent further gun violence. First, however, Mr. LaPierre used fear-mongering to justify his organization's insatiable appetite for more guns, then he pointed his bony finger of blame at the “corrupted media” for promoting violence through movies, violent video games and the media's supposed demonetization of gun owners, he then blamed an entire population of the mentally ill and he called for a national registry of all those diagnosed with mental illnesses, he blamed lax-law enforcement agencies and the “political class for pursuing new gun control measures while failing to enforce existing gun laws” and finally he “called for a 'National School Shield' program, to arm and train guards in schools as the best way to protect children from gun violence.” Yet, surprisingly, he as a main spokesman for the NRA, failed once to blame or take any responsibility what so ever for his own organizations actions regarding the ongoing epidemic of gun violence in today's America.

   While I agree we certainly need to seriously address our culture of violence that is oft depicted in our movies and video games, I strongly disagree that every one diagnosed with mental illness should be listed in a national database. What is he talking about here? Should every person who suffers from depression and asks their doctor for medicinal relief be listed in this database? His very bad idea would not only violate doctor patient confidentiality, but it would also serve to further exacerbate the stigma of mental illness and cause more people suffering from these illnesses to not seek appropriate treatment. And by the way, Mr. LaPierre, the National Instant Background Check System (NICS) already has a registry of 1.1 million individuals that have been deemed by a judge to be “mentally defective” or have been involuntarily committed or ordered by courts to seek mental health treatment. These individuals are already prevented from purchasing guns legally. Of course, we do need to enforce all existing laws on the books. And legislation to ban assault weapons and close gun show loopholes and private gun sales transactions that are exempt from background checks would be wise ideas too. Essentially though, Mr. LaPierre and his organization's main answer or idea to solve the problem of gun violence in the public square is more guns in the hands of trained armed guards and citizens. If this is truly their best solution to the problem, then we are in much more trouble than previously thought.

   In my opinion, Mr. LaPierre and his organization's press conference was, not only self-serving, but also did not provide a true meaningful contribution to the debate on how we best solve the problem of gun violence. In the Preamble it is written “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.” How, Mr. LaPierre does your meaningful contribution promote the general Welfare and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity? How are we really free when realistically we can not physically enter a public space not assured that we won't be shot or become collateral damage to a gun battle between good people and bad people with guns. Do we all really want to live in a country that has to have trained armed guards with assault weapons as mall workers, movie theater staff, grocery store employees and school teachers to be safe?

   And finally, where is the justice and domestic tranquility for the parents of the fallen children and the others who have tragically lost loved ones to the senselessness of the violence caused by the guns you so fervently and illogically protect? Let's, all tell Mr. LaPierre and his organization that we decline to accept their meaningful contribution, because, surly there are better more sensible ways to prevent the ongoing and ever increasing problem of gun violence in our country.

Euge

9:45 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

I just started a gun violence petition on the White House petitions site, We the People. Will you sign it? http://wh.gov/Q2v3

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Barb O'Donnell

6:21 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012

Maybe you should take some armored vehicles up and down the streets of the inner cities and go door to door to confiscate the street guns. We are all aware those street guns that kill every day are not registered and it's highly unlikely they are NRA members. With a few killings by guns the past few days in Philly and 500 gun related deaths this past year in Chicago who have strict gun laws, getting rid of THOSE guns will reduce street crime. I would like to know the data on how many mass killings were actually committed by registered gun owners.

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Barb O'Donnell

6:25 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012

When the Criminal Justice system keeps criminals behind bars instead of giving them probation time, then we can engage in a real discussion on gun violence. Most gun violence is drug related but we all know quite well how the left want to decriminalize drug crimes. Lock up the dealers and the users and there will be less shooting deaths in our cities streets. The occasional whack job who massacres people is very rare.

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michael mirra

11:41 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Criminals will always have guns. It is the nature of society. You can't stop criminals from having guns, but many of the florida shootings aren't like inner cities. Look at the guy who recently shot his neighbor on a basketball court over a kid skateboarding, or the wanna be cop 1/2 assed security guard killing a kid because he was wearing a hoodie & objected to being harrased & profiled. These were registerd gun owners, as are the road rage shootings that go on constantly in Florida. The Sandy Hook killings were also legal gun ownership where the kid's mother bought the guns. Most likely the Arora killer also obtained the guns legally at someplace like wal-mart. Assault weapons are the problem because it is't reasonable to think they can be monitered & controlled effectively.
If people want to have normal, sane weapons, I'm ok with that, though I don't like it. It is their legal right to hunt & kill innocent creatures of God that are only trying to survive & call it SPORT. It is when people go off & kill people for no reason that it is something that must be stopped.

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michael mirra

11:47 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Criminals having guns usually use them on each other. That's their business. Let them shoot each other. Assault weapons are used for mass killings. If assault weapons are illegal, confiscated, & possesion carries a jail term, or fine, less people would stockpile them. Also, publish the names & addresses of assault weapons owners on the internet, newspapers & TV. Many employers would not hire, or terminate them for fear of workplace violence that we also see too often.

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David Conkle

8:22 am on Monday, December 24, 2012

And why does this wikipedia submission have any relevance here, Melissa? I read an interesting article in the Perspective from yesterday's paper that proposed requiring gun owners to carry liability insurance so that if their child or any others in the home used an unsecured gun to injure or kill another or if that unsecured gun were stolen and used to commit a violent criminal act, the gun owner would be legally liable for damages caused to the victim or victims. Seems like a common sense proposal that would surely cause gun owners to properly insure their deadly weapons are secured safely and appropriately. This idea certainly should be considered in a holistic approach to help prevent further gun violence. Wouldn't you agree?

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vera charles

9:31 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012

That would be an excellent idea, Mr Conkle.

People have to understand that their own negligence could cost the lives of little children and adults, and having to buy insurance would make owners of these weapons more careful than they might otherwise be.

larry white

4:54 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012

That is like wanting to cut off your foot because there is a stone in your shoe . Government tyranny 60 years ago loaded milions into cattle cars for extermination . No sir I agree with very little of your short sighted views .

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Barb O'Donnell

6:27 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012

Just think of what the outcome may have been had the Jews been armed.

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michael mirra

11:54 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

If the jews were armed, they would have been mowed down in the streets faster than the trains carrying them to the ovens. They could not have stood up to the nazi war machine anymore than American Malitia crazys can stand up to the military. The jews being armed, would have had more dieing in WACO type stand offs & less in the ovens, but the results would have been the same. They just wouldn't have sufferd as long.

David Conkle

7:09 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012

Whatever, Larry. The government tyranny you speak of was in Germany and exterminated over six million Jews, Gays and Peoples of Color. You're entitled to your opinions, even if they're wrong and do not solve to make our society better.

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Doug

9:35 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012

Please read up on the internment of Japanese in America following Pearl Harbor. Germany is not the only govt capable of tyranny.

There's another post in this thread that hit the nail on the head: We need to talk honestly and openly about the violence within certain cultures in our society, including the effect of the lack of a father in the home. As the family has broken down, so has society.

We also need to talk about mental illness. Unfortunately, the left has used political correctness to make it impossible to actually ask if someone has a problem, so now we look the other way and keep silent for fear of being criticized, instead of asking questions and getting people the help they need.

Finally, we need to address the very real fact that our television, movies and video games teach violence. Even Jamie Foxx has acknowledged that Hollywood has some level of responsibility for the culture of violence that has developed in our society over the last 40 years.

When we address these issues, we will go a long way towards solving the problem - without taking a single gun away from a single responsible, law-abiding gun owner. England and Australia banned guns; England's rate of violent crimes involving guns went up, and Australia's stayed the same, meaning that banning guns didn't work and in some cases made the problem worse, BECAUSE CRIMINALS, BY DEFINITION, DON'T OBEY THE GUN-BANNING LAWS.

John Taylor

10:43 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012

Dude, the head of the NRA is a nutjob....did you not see his press conf?

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David Conkle

8:52 am on Tuesday, December 25, 2012

Yeah, that's why I wrote and posted the article, dude! The NRA is now more of a lobbying arm for the gun manufacturers than representative of it's members. Executive Vice-President Wayne LaPierre is just their paid lunitic mouthpiece in defending the indefensible.

JR

2:55 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012

David, I recently read that three fourth's of the violent gun crimes occur in the the poor inner city area's of our large metro area's. However, it's not politically acceptable to mention that so instead we dance around the issue. Until we are mature enough to discuss all the issues involved, including the unpleasant ones, I think it's a little disingenuous to only point at one side. Chicago has some of the countries most stringent gun control laws but still continues to be one of the most violent cities in the country when it comes to gun crimes (the bad guys always find a way). How and when do we address a part of our society in which gun violence and crimes are a normal accepted part of everyday life? Many gun owners fear that once you open the door to banning certain types of guns it will eventually lead to all guns being banned. I believe that the lady posted who the dog attack article was inferring that many believe we should ban certain dog breeds because they are too agressive rather than going after the people who train them to be that way. At the same time the NRA idiot was speaking (he doens't speak for all gun owners) the ACLU came out saying they would fight all legislation that would allow the dangerously mentally ill to be more easily institutionalized...

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michael mirra

12:02 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

The reason the aclu will fight legislation to institutionalize people more easily is because if abused, the govenment can more easily lock up anyone they choose just by saying that the person needs locking up. It is a fine line between use to keep crazys off the street & locking up anyone they feel like by saying the person needs locking up IN THEIR JUDGEMENT. The aclu is just making sure that the govenment doesn't overstep it's bounds.

Dunedin Observer

7:18 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012

We need to close the loophole that allows individuals to sell and buy guns outside of any background check or record of serial numbers. Individuals can buy through newspapers, in and around gun shows from individuals, and on a street. There is far too much hype on why people need a gun. If you think you need a gun so much, check out Zimmerman in Sanford or the guy in Tampa recently convicted of shooting an unarmed man. Often those who carry a gun around, are more bold and may tend to seek out confrontation with deadly results. .

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David Conkle

7:29 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012

JR, I agree with you regarding inner city gun violence, as the issue needs to be addressed no matter where it is happening. I don't believe all guns should be banned either. However, I firmly believe that we need to look at why we need to have military style weapons with high capacity clips on the streets or in the homes of America. With 40% of all gun sales transactions being made with no background checks, where do you think most criminals get their guns? Wouldn't you agree that we need to close this loophole to ensure that only those legally allowed to purchase guns can do so? After working with client's diagnosed with severe and persistent mental illness, I can assure you that only a very small percentage of those afflicted with the disease of mental illness are dangerous to others. The real problem is the stigma attached to mental illness that deters people with real problems from seeking treatment. Adam Lanza was diagnosed with Asbergers Syndrome which is not classified as a mental illness. We certainly can do a better job pertaining to mental health treatment in our communities. With Florida being ranked 48th in the country for mental health resource funding, our own state surely could do a better job. Unfortunately too, our largest mental health institutions are jails where those afflicted receive little or no treatment what so ever and upon release often become a danger to the community. We know maintaining the staus quo is unacceptible, to not try and change...

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Peter K

10:14 am on Friday, December 28, 2012

Very good comments...But dont let the Hollywood liberals off scott free. Maybe Adam Lanza spent half his life watching TV violence every night before going to his room and blowing away 100 people on a violent video game before bed...for his satisfaction and Hollywood and the medias profit. Then, after years of that it occurred to him to do it for real...Does this make any sense at all? I think we need Hollywood and video control just as much as gun control. And, if there were no guns some crazed person could do just as much damage running a car thru a group of children in a school yard...guns are only one part of the problem...

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David Conkle

11:05 am on Friday, December 28, 2012

Solving this problem will certainly require a holistic approach, Peter, as there are a variety of factors at work here. Sure, one is the perpetuation of our culture of violence through the media. However, why are we as a society so prone to resolve conflict through violence. Look at how many unjustifed wars we have sent our youth to fight and die. And on and on it goes. When will we take a real hard look at ourselves and our violent behaviors and say this insanity has got to end?

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Euge

11:19 am on Friday, December 28, 2012

There are a lot of metaphors, cliches and comparisons to other countries going on in this gun violence discussion. I just saw some dog excretement on the the street and my knees jerked. I thought damn those dogs and damn those dog owners. But not all dog owners are irresponsible and the majority do clean up after their dogs. Just like the majority of gun owners are responsible, or our death by gun rate would be even higher than the 20,000. But it is the minority that are killing our children, students, fellow workers, their families and themselves. They are leaving a mess but not all gun owners are to blame or are they? The pooper laws worked to improve our streets the same requirement for dog owners as for gun owners. Gun owners and manufacturers should be made liable for the damage caused by guns.
Gun lovers are very vocal and defensive when they think that the big bad government is going to take away their weapons. Besides a gun buy back program there needs to counselling offered. It could be part of an application for a permit to see what it is missing or lacking that requires a gun as a substitute.

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David Conkle

3:40 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012

Here's the rub, Euge, gun manufacturers have made record profits over the past five years, partly because of the NRA's ginned up claims that President Obama was going to take their guns away. Unfortunately, the minority of the population that go on killing sprees much too often have much too highly efficent and effective killing machines in their hands when they commence the slaughter of innocent others in our country. Gun owners are certainly part of the problem, as shown in the Newtown massacre where legally purchased guns were used to such deadly effect. I read an idea that all gun owners should be required to carry liability insurance in case their guns cause injury to another due to negligence or failing to safely secure their weapons. And yes guns should also be much harder to to purchase. Of course, a psyhcological screening would certainly be a good idea too!

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Dunedin Observer

3:48 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012

I still predict all this will blow over and few if any changes will be made to gun laws, ownership of guns, or related items. We forget very quickly and gun owners love their guns.

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Kathryn Baker

4:01 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

Mr.Lapierre is definitely beating the drum for his organization. I cannot see why the NRA can't use some common sense in regards to gun control. Why would any normal citizen need an assault rifle? In the case of the Newtown murders, the one person who could have stopped it would have been Mrs. Lanza. Through her careless and cavalier attitude towards firearms, she unleashed a nightmare in the form of her troubled son using her guns.

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David Conkle

1:33 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012

Kathryn, the NRA is certainly is part of the problem instead of rhw solution. They no longer represent the opinions of the majority of their members anymore as they are more of a lobbying arm of the gun manufacturers. I have never advocated for banning guns and taking them away from legal gun owners. However, more responsibility needs to be taken by gun owners to properly secure their weapons, lest they fall into the hands of mentally unbalanced individuals and criminals.

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David Conkle

10:32 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Hey Joe, no one is asking you to turn in your guns and what the Brits were protesting here was a ban on fox hunting because of the inhumane way this type of hunting was conducted. Also, when you watch a report that only presents one side of the aurgument, you are watching propaganda. Stop drinking the kool-aide Joe and consider both sides equally and objectively before passing on this type of Faux News style propaganda. You have a brain, use it is all I'm saying to you.

David Conkle

2:07 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012

Doug, as I've said before we need to look at solving the problem of gun violence using a holistic approach. Where was Adam Lanza's father and what did he do to prevent the violence his son perpetrated upon others so horrifically? Yes, we need to solve the social ills caused by the culture of poverty ands it's effects on social mobility. In regards to mentally illness, this disease is protected under privacy laws just like any other disease. Would you like your health records to be public knowlege, Doug? As one who has worked with those diagnosed with severe and persistent mental illness, I can attest to the fact that the vast majority of those suffering from this disease are not prone to violence towards others. The mentally ill are far more prone to turn inwards and harm themselves than others, and they often carry out their suicidal plans with a gun. As I've also written before, yes, we need to examine our culture of violence and factors that contribute to it. Oh, and by the way, Great Britain had a total of 35 gun murders last year with the majority of these deaths happening in Wales. Australia's numbers are now steadily decreasing and are way far below the number of deaths caused by gun violence in America. I have never advocated banning or infringing on the rights of our citizens to legally own guns. Do we really need assualt weapons though? Should all citizens also be able to own grenades, mortars, predator drones etc.? Where does it all end? We're better than this, no?

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dan

2:41 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012

There are many things to consider but this is nothing but a bash to the NRA. This is agenda pushing basically. There was a press conference where the NRA stated they wanted to work to find a template. They did not demonize but pointed out obvious short comings of this generation. It is not video games that cause it, be it creates dis-connectivity. Split home. Obama is president so you can't go there...people can come from split homes and be president.

There are more guns in the US than citizens. Gun violence is down over the last 6 years and gun sales UP in Cali-forn-eye-A. Biggest opposition to gun violence is a hypocrite. Violent crime is down also. However, mass shootings are on the rise. 44 dead in one year? Now at elementary schools. We need to protect the kids.

After that press conference, there was another. This one did not make the media.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/21/nra-announces-national-school-shield/

It explains the NSS or National School Shield which is a template for schools and DOES NOT have to include guns. The NRA is trying to provide a plan but the current administration did nothing to protect the children, just appoint VP Biden to constrict laws.

Also, the 2nd Amendment was created to allow us to bear arms to defend us against our government. They are now trying to take that away. Remove the NRA and do you think that is ok?

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David Conkle

10:45 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Really Dan? Do we all really want to live in a society where we need armed guards to protect our children at schools? How does this "bad" idea make us a more free society? When the right to bear arms is a deterrent to our basic freedoms of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, then guns are more of a problem then a solution. After 236-years of the Republic and considering the might of our military and police, I seriously doubt that all the guns in America really do truly protect us from our government. I mean have you really thought thru the rammifications of an armed insurrection that could realistically lead to another Civil War? I don't believe banning assault weapons and closing the private gun sales loopholes will completely solve all the problems associated with gun violence, however, these are a crucial changes that would certainly lessen or prevent more senseless deaths by guns in the hands of unbalanced individuals.

Barb O'Donnell

6:28 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012

Roger Sherman, during House consideration of a militia bill (1790):

[C]onceived it to be the privilege of every citizen, and one of his most essential rights, to bear arms, and to resist every attack upon his liberty or property, by whomsoever made. The particular states, like private citizens, have a right to be armed, and to defend, by force of arms, their rights, when invaded.
14 Debates in the House of Representatives, ed. Linda Grand De Pauw. (Balt., Johns Hopkins Univ. Press, 1972), 92-3.

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Michael D.

9:32 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Barb,
Being armed and the type of arms you are allowed to bear are too different conversations. We all have the right to bear arms, but according to Supreme Court rules since the 1800's the government has the right to limit the arms we are allowed to bear.

Marc J. Yacht MD, MPH

4:40 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012

Great post and fascinating responses. Many have left the NRA due to their extreme positions on gun rights. The tragedy at Newtown and those that occurred before it, relate to a combination of mentally deranged people and too many guns that are simply too available to the general pubic. To suggest more guns as a solution would be akin to putting out a fire by dousing it with gasoline. Canada, and the European countries came to terms with reasonable gun control decades ago. And it should be stated that many more are killed each year in unintentional gun accidents by people who legitimately have guns. As I mentioned in my most recent blog I would like gun control advocates and gun rights advocates to find a common ground and that would be to pressure congress for reestablishing a strong Mental health system. I would suggest gun that control bills will be forthcoming and successful. I am a gun owner but find the NRA a disgracefull organization totally insensitive to the carnage cused by gun accidents, crimes, and horrific tragedies. caused by the mentally unbalanced. I am afraid we have not seen the end of these tragedies.

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David Conkle

11:29 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Thank you for your thoughtful response, Marc. As a past Mental Health Professional, I feel we should all be concerned with Florida being ranked 48th in the country for MH resource funding. As you know, no matter the efficacy of a system, without proper funding of resouces only a limited amount of clients can ever be treated or served. Of greater concern to me at least, are the now 1 million concealed weapons permits issued by Florida.The facts are that even those diagnosed with mental health symptoms can leagally own guns and even hold a concealed weapons permit. Furthermore, what percentage of concealed weapons permit holders have mental health issues that have never been appropriately diagnosed, let alone, treated? Add Florida's "Stand Your Ground" laws to the mix and you truly have a recipe for disaster. I do try to believe we are better than this, however, the empirical evidence appears to prove otherwise.

Bulldog

8:47 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

I am also an NRA member but find the NRA totally lacking in their loudly touted support of the 2nd amendment. The NRA should always have been fighting to protect all gun ownership rights but historically they have been busy barganing them away (google it). GUNOWNERS OF AMERICA as is JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP! BUT the NRA does provide the best firearms safety and training with it's civilian firearms safety training programs, National competitions, law enforcement and personal protection training.
The anti-gun politicians are using these shootings to promote their disarm American adgenda when they know full well there is NO evidence to support that any anti-gun law made anyone safer. If "no one" actually needs 30 round magazines why not put taking them away from "everyone" on the table..Why does law enforcement need high capasity magazines to protect themselves while civilians don't, isn't it civilians that are most likely to be shot at? What exactly is an "assault" weapon; could it be any firearm, as defined by anti-gun politicians like Feinstein, Pulosi, Reed, etc, as a firearm equal in firepower to firearms being used by law enforcement, and WHY.....The American people are simply being told here that they can not be trusted with firearms except for very limited types and uses as defined by them, that is not acceptable to me and I will hope not to America.

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David Conkle

11:03 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Bulldog, true the NRA does promote gun safety and provide training that is very useful for legal gun owners. I've never advocated for a total ban on guns or denying a citizen's right to bear arms. As far as your reasoning on civilians owning military style weapons that were designed to kill so efficently and effectively though, should we also like the police, be able to have drones, armored personel carriers, and fully automatic weapons also? Hell, the military possesses nukes, should nuclear weapons then be considered arms we all can bear too? As difficult as it may be, can we all use some common sense in helping solve or prevent the ongoing problem of gun violence in our country?

michael mirra

12:04 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

These posting boards are just the same old, same old repeated over & over.
"... and the beat goes on, & the beat goes on" Sonny & Cher

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David Conkle

10:37 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Just like gun violence Michael, repeated over and over, and the carnage continues, and the death goes on and on...

Michael D.

5:56 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

Just think the irony that the NRA blamed media and video game specifically for making a violent culture. Then releases an IOS shooting game for ages 4+. Irony.

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David Conkle

3:58 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013

TransPlant, could you expound upon your comment. Who do you want to go away? I would certainly hope you're not saying that to me as one who diligently served his country and is a disabled veteran as a result of that service.

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