Eileen,
The background checks have been made. I know you want to say otherwise, but the background checks have been made just like they were for every other President. The same documentation that any of us to prove our citizenship. Are you suggesting that you have infomation that the Intelligence Community wasn't able to discover in their research? If you do please bring it forward.

NO KIDDING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What? Still...? I believe this mentality is what is wrong with our country today. A citizenery that refuses to accept fact and truth. Anf allows itself to continue to feed on the hate and fear mongering...God Bless this man's presidency. He fully deserves all the pomp that comes with the office.

Cisco,
Did you have the same complaint in 2005 which it was Bush going for a second term, while the country was sinking in debt and deficit? You know everything but the actual inaguration is paid not by the government, but private funding? All the "fun" activities the last few decades are privately funded. The offical attivities are tax payer funded. Guess what, the last two inagurations have used less then Bush's cheapest inguartion in tax payer dollars. But Obama's inaguration is the issue.

Cisco - we all know Obama does not care if it adds to the debt! What a waste and I am not talking about the inauguration.

oNLY DEMOCRAPS

Desi,
I hope you were saying the same thing about George W. Bush. Because their has been a larger increase in unemployment in Bush's first 4 years, and jobs were trending down. If you are going to complain about one, don't forget the other.

Indeed. Beginning to not like the political bent of this site.

Then get a job, and quit complaining. Because I don't see you also complaining abou the Republican Congress which passes/approves any legislation. Also being that unemployment rose 1.3% in Bushes first term and 2.5% in his second, but was the same in Jan 09 as it was in Dec 12 for Obama. By Bureau of Labor numbers, I would say Obama isn't your only issue. But you are going to blame the "Democraps" as you put it anyway.

If you're starving to death, you can shape up at work force type places qbout 5AM each morning. That would help put food in you, but I guess it's too inconvenient, so you would rather sleep to a 'normal' time & complain, on the internet, that it's Obama's fault that you don't work. If you are really hungery, you would discontinue internet service & put the money towards food. Only in America can people bitch about being deprived of life's niceties while they have TV., Internet, Cell phones, etc. Then they blames someone else because they don't get off their butt & beat the bushes for work like needed.
Get up EVERY MORNING at 6, get dressed & go out looking till bout 5 every day. You will find work if you do that aren't picky about how much you are offered in pay, & how far you would need to drive. It may take a while, but you need not complain that your failures are the fault of another.

It sends the message that people can drink & not get drunk if they drink in moderation. I'm sure Michelle Obama never got drunk. It shows that drinking, in a social setting, can be controlled & need not go over the top. The surgeon general doesn't expect people to 100% abstain. I personally don't drink. I prefer the 'evil weed' which I abstain from because I don't want to be slinking in the shadows, with criminal types, & risk jail time. I therefore wait patiently for common sense legalization. Meantime, people here complain about the Obama drinking, but The Bushmiester being a Drunk was OK.

Well played!

For a first term, I think it is appropriate . For second terms, I think not. Just a small ceremony.

Liberty,
Did you say the same thing about George W. Bush when he was going in for his second term. It actually cost more than Obama's second one.

Agreed! Nobody with his job history would have a clue! If you could call community organism a job! lol

Patriot,
Successful Businessmen historically don't make great presidents because its a different organizational type. Since 1900 the most successful businessmen before taking the Job of President were:
Warren G. Harding
Herbert Hoover
Jimmy Carter
George W. Bush (has the most private sector success)
How did each of them leave the country?

The group most historians consider best presidents during this time, only one had private sector experience and his was an extreme failure:
Teddy Roosevelt
Franklin Roosevelt
Harry Truman (former businessman)
Woodrow Wilson

The next group had zero private business experience:
John F. Kennedy
Dwight Eisenhower
Ronald Reagan
Lyndon Johnson
Bill Clinton

of the other 7 Presidents on the list George H.W. Bush (founded Pennzoil) was the only one with real private sector success. Though in my opinion and underrated president. So the connection to private sector success to Presidental success isn't that accurate.

Michael mirra you and idiot Obama loves people like you because where would he and his celebrity buddies be today without idiots?

Desi,
Apparently reading comprehesion is an issue for you. So let me make this simple. Bush entered the White house with a Surplus and an unemployment rate of 4.3%, He left the White House changing our economic policy, a deficit, and 7.8% unemployment. Obama has increased the deficit (on him), but has also no increased unemployment. I'm sorry your memory is so faulty and your logical ability to looking at this issue as a decade long issue. To blame where we are on the last 4 years. Is just playing partisan politics instead of looking at this issue as an American.

Desi,
Since the issue has been a decade issue, it is on both Presidents. But lets take a look at the numbers, at increase in spending from 2001-2011 (Bush Administration policies) at 4.3 trllion (25.6% of deficit), Incorrect CBO estimates 3.3 trillion (19.6%), Tax Cuts made in 2002-2012 2.8 trillion (16.7%), and Higher Interest Costs 1.4 trillion (8.3%). Now, the final $5 trillion (29.8%) are on Obama through policies have been put into place. All information from the Department of Treasury(2012). So yes, the Bush Administration does have their cross to bear in the deficit. So does the past 8 years have something to do with the budget, yes. Just like Clinton's and George H.W. Bush had something to do with 9/11. The fate of all Presidents are based on what has happened before them. Economic Boom under Clinton doesn't happen with Reagan and H.W. Bush policies of changing our economic policy and raising taxes (leveling taxes) on everyone.

Oh bla bla bla with these libs! They are ignorant to the facts and deserve there NEW label....LIV!

Patriot,
So instead of a real factual agrument, you are going to go labels. Ok, but at least be accurate. Not a liberal and not a member of the democratic party.

Michael D...yes...labels...we have a president that does nothing but label and dismiss....I am a quick study : )

Patriot,
Same can be said about the Republicans in Congress as well. Both parties do it, doesn't mean it makes a real discussion. It caters to the lowest denominator.

I agree Paul. They are spending OUR hard earned money. It amazes me that a budget has not been passed in 4 years! How can you even begin to operate without a budget? A home or a business can't!

Desi,
What about you needing a job and you are starving. Which would mean relate to no income and no income tax. How is he paying with your money?

Obama is fundamentally transforming America as he promised. He does it exactly as Vladimir Lenin taught to do:
“The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation”
“Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever”
“Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism”
“The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency”
“The press should be not only a collective propagandist and a collective agitator, but also a collective organizer of the masses”.
- Vladimir Lenin quotes (Russian Founder of the Russian Communist Party, leader of the Russian Revolution of 1917, 1870-1924).

Sounds familiar?

It's both parties Victor, a shift in this county like that doesn't happen unless both parties are involved.

Yes, but I doubt MITT would be doing much different, he probably would have slowed it down however, but....that is spit milk! we are on the fast track now to full on socialism! Remember It takes all members to get us down this road to tyranny! Only a Libertarien leader would work to end this destruction!

Patriot,
I agree on the Libertarian platform. It is the only one actually wanting smaller government.

The parties are two sides of the same coin. Same corporate backings.

If you look at it this way, why do you only point out the president in your statements. Then it is the whole establishment. Did you also not notice all the liberties that Bush was stripping from us. Or did it all happen under Obama?

MD is correct! Patriot act being one of the first sweeping laws to sideline our liberties....though, Obama signing NDAA on New Years 2011 holds the record for most destructive law ever to the Constitution!

NDAA was just a continuation of the one put into law in 2007. Just nobody knew about it then. Politics its a beautiful thing.

MD...understood, however, the NDAA with the meet, was added by OBAMA.....I don't like how you mix guilt. Yes "Bush" was crap, but lets not toss him in the OBAMA mud so quickly....people still need to hold onto there paradigm!

Patriot,
You look at them as two different types of crap, I see them as two sides of the same shade. Bush changed economic policy and social liberties, and Obama has continued down that path. The only thing that has happened that has benefited Obama in ways it hurt Bush is that corporations are starting to see an upswing. They are working with Obama to change tax code, but I give credit to the corporations for that not the administration.

Victor,
Then either you weren't paying attention until the last 4 years, or you have a very selective memory. You are choosing to blame one in a cast of thousands. And using the basic well he is President now excuse. The change in economic policy, the increase of debt has been happening over 10 years the changes Bush put into place that Reagan, Bush Sr. and Clinton advisors said was a bad idea. But you know what that's Obama's fault too right? By chance did you get your facts from the movie or book Obama 2016. That's about as accurate as Michael Moore's movie. Not very accurate.

I hope victor is right in his assessment that America will never be the same after Obama. He promised that change was coming to America, but there is no real change yet. The core values he speaks of aren't the core values of 21st century America. That are the core values of 1950s America where everyone was accepted as long as they were just like the prototype of the norm. Blacks were considered inferior, Hispanics were considered inferior, Gays had to hide who they were, Christianity's hypocrisy went un noticed, etc. Today Obama leads the charge to make America the free country that propaganda has told us it is supposed to be. Obama is just fighting to make the reality conform to the promise. Many of the injustices in America still exist, but are not as bad due to people like Barack Hussain Obama. He believed all the bullshit about what America is supposed to be about & doesn't like that it is all hypocritical crap. He wants to fulfil America to be the free country he was taught it was.
That's why he moved here from Kenya, Right?

The Joseph Goebels News Network has reported that the US State Department has signed a treaty with the Romulans, and pledged that all white males between the ages of 18 and 65 will serve two year terms in the Blue Helmet Forces of the Romulan Empire.

On that basis Glenn Breitbart, lead anchor for Goebels, has theorized that this means that Obama will now release the five Klingons, who someone's fourth cousin in Charlston claimed are being held in Area 51, to the Gamma Sigma terrorist brigade based on the planet Alderaan.

The fact that the twelve captured Klingons, part of the Klingon invasion force which the Obama-led US Armed Forces has been unable to locate, are now being granted preferred work-visa status by Obama's left-wing Immigration and Nationalization Service, is cited by other unidentified sources as proof that socialism now exists in this country.

Once those fifty-seven Klingons receive their visas, it is expected that they will take over the public library system in the United States, thereby rendering everyone not now watching Goebels News as clueless as those who do.

Victor,
Yes, the generalization that most people have. I can read and have read his books. Watch tv, but not the dribble that comes from Fox News or MSNBC. I do not follow the two parties that will sell people on what ever story they want to hear. The Obama is a communist goes with some of his platforms and against his free trade platforms. Yes, universal healthcare is similar to the communist ideal, it's a Republican written law. But it is similar to communism. The lean towards mass transit can be similarly viewed as communist. Raising taxes on the rich, to some is communist. To others its Reaganomics, which also raised taxes on the rich to reduce the deficit. The taxation policy follows a lot of Reaganomics, strange that his Republican detractors forget that. The reduction in corporate tax, while closing the loopholes.. tends to be Free Trade. Traditional "American" Family Values, it's strange how history books changed in the late 1980s' and 1990's to remove all the lies that were told about our forefathers to fight against communism. I believe telling myths to get people to believe a single truth is a communist way of thinking. It was also happening in U.S. schools from 1930-the late 1980's. For the purpose of fighting communism. I guess Obama and his group were doing things before they were born? I have my eyes open, and I read the words actually written in the proposal and legislation that is being voted on. Why because i want to be informed.

Reagan was an excellent stateman, but a statemen of a different era.

Victor,
Yes, and living in the USSR does give you some insight, but by your obvious hatred of communism you could almost be more sensitive to finding things that would bring you back to what you fear. Giving false positives in instances that they do not appear. I appreciate your major was in history. You do have a right to tell me what you believe, but that you believe it does not make it fact. What you are saying is that the divisions between race, gender, and religion have to be in place to keep us from communism. Obama has been a very pro-Free Trade president, very pro business. But that is the parts most people don't want to talk about. As far as taking people's guns, if you own then nothing in the current laws/proposals will take them away. Also no registered Congressional Member, Gun Lobbyst, or SCOTUS is going to allow that either. The system is set up with checks and balances, and I trust the people and the system that holds it accountable. I beleive in America and my fellow Americans. If you do not, then I'm sorry for you.

Most people that flee Cummunist countries are well to do. That is because Communism confiscates their wealth & redistibutes it to all. Rich people want to keep their wealth & not have it divided among the people.
That leads most refuges from Communist countries to be right wing. The people that remain like living under the system that they have. It is the rich, capitalistically leaning that flee their country like rats deserting a ship because they don't fit in with their countrymen.

David,
Being way to rational, logical, and accurate for this conversation. You need to know say something about how the government wants you to wear pink shoes every third Tuesday of the month.

JR,
Technical Major, actual Minorty for all but 4 months of those 2 years. Due to illiness and contested elections. Personally I blame them all, but to complain about the Obama Administration you also have to realize the part that the Bush Administration played in our current environment. No hypocrisy from me, to me they are all damaging us. But yes, if you are going to blame a President, you have to blame the members of Congress as well.

JR, when I say the President sets policy that does not make it the law of the land. It is more of a suggestion that both the House and the Senate have to vote to appove as a bill before it goes back to the President to be either vetoed or signed into law. And when I stated "a President" that includes Washington through Obama. Yes a President can be blamed for increased deficit spending, but only after Congress approves the spending first. Glad I could drop a bit of civic knowlege on you bro.

Victor,
You are quick to switch agruments aren't you. Reading for a History Major should be something you are good at. I have already discussed the "majority" in the Congress and have already discussed the deficit using the Department of Treasury data. First when Bush left office we as a nation were losing 500,000 jobs a month, Bureau of Labor 2013 statistics. As of Jan 2009, we are gaining 150,000 jobs a month for the last 4 months. Alrady discussed Unemployment rates above. But if you start with unemployments at 7.8% and end your first term at 7.8%, where as the guy before you started at 4.3% and ended at 7.8%. Which one had a higher growth in the Unemployment rate? I agree the Obamacare isn't the best piece of legislation, but unlike what you are saying. Read the actual bill it is Republican Written, a lot of the language is similar to Romneycare. It shouldn't have passed regardless of party. Business (especially) start up business regulations have been reduced, through the bill signed in August 2012. The oringal stimulus bill in late 2009 allowed for increase write off of depreciable expenses. Also proposed halving the payroll tax to corporations which was eliminated by the House. Corporate taxes are an all-time low, which profits in the majority of U.S. industries are at an alltime high. But that is bad for business. As for 5 years, if Bush left in Jan 2009 and Obama is iinauguration for term 2 is Jan 2013, that is 4 years.

Also according to Forbes working with the major companies in the US like AT&T, MicroSoft, etc.. to make a lower flat corporate tax with no loopholes. Which would both reduce the burden on the majority of companies, especially small businesses. And increase the revenue going to the Government from the reduction in loopholes. Working with Businesses.

What did they produce to improve economy? asks Victor Orloff
They produced a greta stimulis, they saved General Moters, They saved Chrysler. If they went ubder, the whole economy would have colapsed. They put regulations on lending institutions that stopped making loans when they were defaults waiting to happen. Unemployment decline does show improvement in that the % of people earning $ is growing. Wall Street is going upward. The whole world economy sucks. I guess it's all that socialist bum Obama's fault? Right?
People aren't underemployed. They just were over paid before & now their talents & abilities are getting what they are worth now. Americans are spoild & God forbid they take honest work that they feel is beneath them. That's why illegals take jobs we don't take when we'd rather collect unemployment than lower our self image to what we are really worth. Obama also is focused on Freedom for ALL Americans.

Victor, don't hate the player, hate the game. And actually, Bush has only been out of office for four years and the Democratic party only held the house and senate for less than a year when Obama was first President. Your homophobia appears to be showing also. Study's show that those who are most homophobic are more often than not fearful and are repressing their own true sexual identities. Might want to check that out, bro.

Mine eyes have seen the horror of the coming of the Reds,

They are standing in our closets, they are hiding 'neath our beds.....

No, just look at the data and facts. Then make a presentation based on that fact. Believe all rational agruments should be based on facts. I take the data, which is available. Then look at the tends in said data, which is pretty easy with statistics and analytics. In the cases of most of these agruments, it's pretty easy because numbers in themselves do not lie. Legislative members have to put their names on the Bills that get voted on. All factual information. I just advocate factual, rational discussion. I prefer to blame people who things they are actually accountable for. Not for things it is convient to blame them for.

Victor,
youtube is a wonderful source material, I would associate it with Wikiapedia. So sorry, I will not accept that as factual information. I have seen too many people change youtube media to fit the message they want. You opinion is that America is being transformed into a socialist state. But it is just an opinion. The fact would be several other western world countries are currently socialist states. Because something is your opinion, doesn't make it fact.

Your video is nice, actually had seen it before at U.F.. But it's not entirely relevant. Your agrument was that Obama was doing this, then that they have been doing it for a while.
"Like promised, Obama is fundamentally transforming this country from the world's most free country into the Soviet Union Bis. "
"Yes, Reagan was a great statesman of a different era. The era Obama is transforming into Soviet like regime."
Then you compare to Reagan as a President, but you didn't visit the States until the 1990's so your knowledge of Reagan's Presidency is from documentation and stories?
Then you went how he is bad for business, as apposed to the guy before him. When the facts of that was brought forward you went to this agrument.
"If you like facts and smart enough to apprehend the information and compare you would see that all that been said there is here now.
Being a liberal you wouldn't accept it, I know. That's exactly what Mr Bezmenov is saying - people infected with Marxism will accept no facts, no evidence no witnesses. "
Or because you can see it, and their is no facts or data to back it up. You are indoctinated. Nice on the labeling by the way, way to bring that intelligent conversation forward. Read what I said above about that, but that would also hurt your agrument. We are a centralized Republic have been that way since the Civil War. We lost states rights, if you didn't notice that in the 90's.

That is a good vid, but fails to be relevant, this one is current and covers many different issues. http://vimeo.com/52009124

Yes, I have watched Agenda - a powerful movie. Highly recommended. Thanks for reminding.

I watched the video patriot posted. At least I watched about 1/2. I had to end watching as the level of bull crap was so deep that you need boots to walk through it. Everything that they say is true, but they present it as a bad thing. It's all how something is spun. An example is how they talk about the left wanting to destroy God. It's true that we want to destroy religion as practiced in America today, but that's not about destroying God. We want to destroy the hypocrisy, exclusion, small mindedness, ignorance, and hate that religion, as practiced in AMERICA, perpetuates. I am a very religious person, but the God I love would hate the Christian Right & all it's works & all it's pomps. My religion is more in line with Jesus Christ who defied authority with his band of outcasts & returned to non biased harmony with nature. He was executed for Blasphemy (religious treason). Jesus Christ was the first non violent Revolutionary.

michael mirra, I am not surprised you stopped watching it at all. You represent the generation that does not know Americas history. We are, what our founding documents say we are. If we are to become what the liberal leaders want, then Americans should be called to the voting booth and asked directly! SHOULD WE REMAIN A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC? Yes or No! Any other form of transformation is simply deception. If Americans were all awake to OBAMA'S socialist dream, the streets would be bathed in blood.

Victor,
I'm going to assume that "you say I'm indoctrinated" comment is due to a lack of understanding of the english language other than another attempt to change the subject, again. Welfare has been around since FDR and Obamacare is a poorly constructed laws that in time will be corrected. If you aren't going to stay on message what is your agrument. You want to blame censorship of Christianity, but not the censorship of other religions that happened the first 200 years of this country? But your whole agrument is based on I can see it, you cannot. What kind of agrument is that? You want to go to labelling, but that didn't work for you either.

WHAT? Michael D? "Obamacare is poorly constructed laws this in time will be corrected"......are you nuts? Are you saying that government taking over healthcare is a good thing? 1 6th of the U.S. economy is healthcare, and you think that is GOOD? R U NUTZ?

I believe you are comparing socialism to the perverted and brutal type of communism formed under the regimes of Lenin and Stalin here. Let's face it, America is now more like an aristocacy then a republic. We have basically lost the Republic and are now ruled by plutocrats as part of the oligarchy we now have as our form of government. Furthermore, we are no more of a socialist state now then when many of our valued social programs were first enacted under FDR's administration. I personally feel that we missed a great opportunity after liberating Germany by not advancing on Russia and liberating their people. Plus, we all know of the atocities committed under the Hiltler regime, however, the crimes of murder, rape, assualt and theft against the people of Berlin by the Russian Army and their personel after first taking the city were atrocities that receive little mention in the annals of history. And how many of their own people did Lenin and Stalin kill again? If our country and the President are not to your satisfaction, then perhaps you should move else where, Commrade Orloff.

Afro American is old school. Black is current. I personally don't think identication of race is needed. What the hell diff. does it make? It isn't family values to bring a kid up with a set of loveless parents. Divorce can be healthier because kids learn that needen't throw their lives away to go through the empty motions. Gay marriage isn't bad family values. It may not be YOUR kind of family, but that doesn't mean it is an unstable situation. In fact it teaches the kid to be more accepting of people from all walks of life. Religion SHOULD be public taboo. I don't need superstsion flaunted in my face by people that think that just because they are supersticius, then everyone has to listen to it. The forefathers came to this country to escape religion up their butt.
Your family values & religious superstition is why Republicanism is dieing. It isn't 1950s anymore. Go watch Ozizie & Harriet if you want to reminise about America in the dark ages, before the spiritual awakening of the 60s

Victor,
I agree that Political Correctiness is out of line. The line has been crossed in what has been allowed. But you agrument that Family Values are being downgraded, because of gay marriage? What does gay marriage have to do with any other type of marriage other than making an odd conversation for 5 minutes. Divorce, an issue that it is too easy to get married and divorce no a political issue it is the instant gradification society we live in. The majority of our society is Christian 76.8% (2010 Census Numbers) of our population is Christian. Socialism just doens't happen with Atheism, it's been done under one religion as well saying that it's God's will. Class war escalated by Obama's office, but not under Bush's office as well? Again showing your true colors Victor. It the heavy Tax Breaks started for the upper class started in 2002 and the upper class pay 16% less taxes on income on average than your middle class family, but Reagan whom you loved raised taxes so everyone paid approximately the same amount percent. Obama is suggesting the same thing, but Obama is a socialist and Reagan was a Hero of Free Society. Conflicting agruments Victor, very conflicting agruments.

michael mirra, you are deviant ship wreck! OMG

Patriot said of me
Patriot

9:20 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

michael mirra, you are deviant ship wreck! OMG

Hey Patriot, you posted an extream video. Check this article out & it shows what my Generation's thoughts were when we were young. Many of us still feel this way>
http://www.hippy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=342

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLtoq64jLfI

Of course, true Marxism is based on creating a more egalitarian society where all are equal and work for the collective good of that society. What Lenin and Stalin did was pervert this idea to their own advantage and used it to control the masses. And wealth flowed upwards to the elitist few of a one party system. Still happening today to a somewhat lesser extent. I'm sure that you understand the class system better than most given your origins, Victor . Today, in America there has been a perversion of capitalism where private owners(robber barons) take the bulk of the wealth created off the backs of workers using the infastructure that we the common people paid for out of taxes on our hard earned wages. We have a corrupt and unfair tax system an uneven playing field where weath is extracted by the rich and powerful and the rest of us live off the small percentage left behind. Your continued paranoia about us becoming a more socialist nation is a distraction and blinds you to what is really happening in America. Do we need real change to be made to achieve a more fair society, You betcha! Are we becoming a more socialist society, nope. Why would those in power want to change to make us to a more egalitarian society, they already have the game rigged to their own advantage. Wake up, Victor, stop watching Faux News, become more educated and see what's really happening here. Welcome to America, Victor, where you are free to express your own opinion, even if you're wrong.

Agreed....it's a matter of when

no one is having a problem with definition of Socialism Cisco. The problem is all the trends and data do not show a turn towards Socialism. It is in neither parties interest for us to be Socialist.

Michael D.,
all the trends and data DO show a turn towards Socialism. Do you want Obama and other Marxists to declare United Socialist States of America during his next inauguration? Don't be naive. They learned their lesson, that is why they do not call themselves Marxists, Communists, Socialists anymore but Liberals, Progressives, etc. The name game doesn't change the core of their ideology and goals.
After Marxist project of exporting revolution worldwide failed they changed the strategy, and that Mr Bezmenov's and Agony movies about. It's a crawling Marxist revolution that was under the way for decades, and is materializing currently.

Boy, and here I thought the John Birch Society and the Looney Tunes Brigades of the radical right had slithered back under their rocks.

It's sad what this says about our nation, and its education system, when so many bonehead knee jerk reactionaries keep mouthing off, trying to carry out the dictates of Lenin and Joseph Goebbels that if you repeat a lie often enough, some people are going to start believing that lie.

Wrong!

You thought the John Birch Society was gone? Where have you been? Today, they call themselves Conservatives & Tea Party.
Over the top nationalism is facism is facism is facism. What is so difficult for yall to understand?

Victor,
I'm not naive, I just know how to read business data. You are so caught up in Benzmenov's teachings that is what you see. Not that businesses are recording record profits and business leaders are recording record salaries (good for them). The same corporation that are firing people to make better profits and be for efficient are doing it for the best of society? Now we already know you are anti-gay from your earlier posts about Family Values and how that is one of the keys of Socialism and the lack of belief in God which goes against the 76.8% (2010 Census) percent of our nation that is Christain. Since we are forced to go on Welfare in your opinion then why according to data collected in Oct 2012 by two government and a independent organization found only 4.1% of our nation is on Any form of Social Welfare (food stamps, medical, etc). When you claim "You will see that America is changing into a welfare, socialist country and under Obama this process received a huge boost." In fact the number of people on Welfare programs have reduce the last three years, that shows extreme addiction to those programs. The only thing that has gone up in cost is corporate welfare, which companies are currently paying off. Except for Wal-Mart, record profits and still getting money from the government. Such an excellent business model. None of the data points to what you are saying, Census, Indepent Research, etc.. you have yet to show the data behind your theory..

Mike D, I simply do not understand your data then. All the legislation that I have seen coming out of D.C. specifically all the EO's

WRONG! He may not know he is a socialist....but that does not let him off the hook! He certainly is not a supporter of our founding documents! THAT IS FOR SURE!!!!!!

That's your opinion, Mr Conkle.

Victor,
I find it funny that a guy who claims that the system is making us socialist, only is against one side of the system. If it is the complete system, why do you only talk bad about one side. Why is one side of the system the ones causing this grand scheme?

I don't claim to be a Republican! But I do know the only party that seems hell bent on divide and conquer is the DEMS!

Again you are focused on one side, which shows where you truly stand. It is just a bias look at data that doesn't fit you model. In all your replies you are bias. Where is your objective data to prove your point. Because if you are going to continue with the bias conversation and opinions you are not proving your theory. Which is all it is at this point.

Victor,
It is any transformation would be multi-teir, and like I mentioned earlier, I saw Mr. Bezmenov informational movies in the late 1990's at UF. If business activity is not better then why are so many industries recording all time record net profits? Yes, jobs have been lost, but effiency as increase? Why have 5 employees when 3 employees can do the same job. Then if your agrument is all these people why do you keep talking about Obama and Liberals which you have brought up multiple times over this thread. There are too many instances for me to put in the limited comment space. You have continually changed your agrument when there no statistical data or scientific data to back up your statements. Your proof has been it is what Bezmenov warn us about, or "you can't see it, but I can" kind of statements. The transformation of any society is a long process, but when all your agruments for this transformation. Have been shown to be statistically and scientifically inaccurate, what is going to your next agrument. The "haves" will always control over the "have nots", that is any government. Including our "Democratic Republic". All you have shown is what we already know which is the true Golden Rule, "Those with the gold make the rules." That's not socialism, communism, fascism, etc. it's life. It's not fair, it just is.

The recent inauguration cost approximately $152 million. More than half of the monies were donated by private individuals and corporations. Public monies being spent are mainly for security, build out and clean-up costs etc. These public funds would be spent for any inauguration for any President taking office. I feel this is a tradition that should continue also.

Victor your obvious obession with Socialism combined with Obama is what makes this counter productive. You asked question I asked with data and facts, then come back with well you can't see the truth. As for data and facts, I already explained the $1T which both the Treasury Department and I blame on the last two admistrations and over course Congress. But that has been your only defense, against all the other numbers that have been against you agrument. As for this statement:
"And Bezmenov told about as well, that people indoctrinated with Marxism would accept no facts, evidences, proofs."

Hard to see what isn't brought to a conversation, I have asked multiple times for your facts and data and your replay as been "well you can't see it". Maybe I'm not the one who is color blind. I openly have said the system is flawed multiple times through multiple threads on this site. But you can't get off Socialism, to see any other outcome. So Have a wonderful day.

Wow, Rand Paul is even more of an idiot than I thought. He makes his father look almost rational.

But, I also have to remember that we have always had fringe crazies in this country, and that our new age of internet availability gives them more of a forum than they would have otherwise have had.

The good news is that this continues to be a democracy, where the strength is in the hands of a more rational and less offensive electorate.

By and large we have elected Presidents who were not far from the center, whether they were liberal or conservative in orientation, and that is where we will continue to go as a nation.

The Rand Pauls, and the Christine O'Donnells, and the Sarah Palins, and the Richard Mourdocks, and the Sharon Angles, will always be with us, just as Joe McCarthy was until his tyranny and lies were exposed. Sometimes those morons will win -- locally -- but they could never get any further than the political equivalent of comic book conventions.

So let them dress up as the political equivalent of Captain Kirk, or maybe Reichsfuhrer Himmler, and let the loonies applaud them, and let them fade into history with the rest of the dregs of political extremism, whether radical left or radical right.

The nation will go on, and prosper.

You 100% correct! And we all know the strategy behind division....right? ,,,, given the responses on this thread, I better explain for the LIV in here! "Divide and conquer"! ( LIV = Low Information Voters )

Belle,
The division has been growing since the "Contract with America" in 1998. Both parties have been doing it. Don't blame one side without blaming the other. If they divide us on issues that don't matter, then it is easier for them to do things that take more of our liberties away. Not just Obama or Bush, it has been slowly happening much longer than that. The two parties are two sides of the same coin. Why do you think they both agree to the monetary policy that has been reducing the value of the dollar since 2002?

Spoken like a main stream media puppet!

I would vote for Rand, he makes sense! His dad made even more sense then him! I personally have no interest in educating you just how lost you are in the world of politics. But the one thing I will say, Crist will never be anything in political life, ever again.

Every vote for Rand Paul is a vote the Republicans won't be getting. Which is fine with me.

Patriot just confirmed what I said. I said only the rigt wingnuts would vote for Rand Paul. His Father makes a lot more snse than he does. Neither can ever win an election for President. Crist, on the other hand, may be Patriot's next Governor. That is if Patriot lives in Florida. Crist might go no further than that, but he has more charisma than Alex Sink & one of them will cerainly beat that lame duck waiting to happen Scott.

Michael Mirra, I think you are wrong about Rand! I think a if a strong conservative does not get in the White House in the next election. There will be a revolution in America, and it will be a blood bath.

Patriot, are you calling for another civil war here or what? You do realize you're outnumbered because over half the voters in this country voted for President Obama and Republicans lost the popular vote in the congressional election contests. Your party can gerrymander all the state congressional districts it wants, but the Republican voters are still a shrinking minority in our country. You might want to check out the demographics and rethink your position of calling for a "bloodbath" if a conservitive doesn't win in 2016, not good for the country and not good for you or your fellow lunetic frindge friends.

DAVIID C, You do remember that we are the 2nd Amendment advocates...right! lmao

Patriot, you're talking crazy and you scare no one with your puffery and bloviation by calling for a revolutionary bloodbath if a strong conservative is not elected in 2016.

Obama is proven to be the most bigoted, racist, and narcissistic lazy president in my lifetime.

Oh that's total BS, LBelle and Patriot!!!!

And as to feeding and caring for the poor, the poor of America shouldn't need to depend upon donations; they should depend upon their fellow Americans in this greatly blessed nation to help them.

We are a better nation than India or China or any others who leave the most destitute to fend for themselves.

Justice matters.

Equity matters.

Sharing our burdens and our blessings matters.

America is a great and powerful nation that should never abandon the least of our brethren.

"We the People" is not just a logan; it is an inherent part of our great heritage.

None of the things Lib Bell mentioned as racist is racist. I consider it racist when they hold up plackards of Obama dressed like a witch doctor w/a bone through his nose, or when they use racial slurs that start with N. Right Wingnuts are so crazy & racist that they really don't see their own racism. They just incorporate it into their view of the world. It doesn't matter anyway because they are dieing away as America changes. They blame Obama for the change. Obama is not pushing the change. The change has occured in America & the election of Obama is the normal course of where America is. If Barack wasn't elected, it would be the same person with a different name & a different face, the person chosen is a reflection of where America is.

Patriot says Obama is bigoted. I guess when he has Tea Party people carry pictures of him with a bone in his nose, that's his way of telling White people that he thinks he's better because he's a Kenyan?

Saying Obama is dividing is like the Republicans saying that Obama is out to destroy the Republican Party when anyone with 1/2 a brain can see that it is, & always has been, the Republican party that is out to destroy Obama. Republicans are destroying themselves. They don't need anyone else, but themselves, to dig their own political graves. Every time they open their mouthes, they put another nail in the coffin of Conservativism.

American Patriot: I am all for helping the needy! But I think the time is coming when the needy will have to help themselves! I see no reason for an able body American to be on public assistance for more 4 years, yet, here in St.Pete, I know of 7 families that have been collecting tax dollars for more then 20 years! Why? Why should the 80% work for the lazy there whole life?

Patriot,
Are you referring to the US Postal Service? Need to blame Congress for not re-organizing that doomed organization. Other than that, a person cannot collect Unemployeement for more than 2 years, Without gaining employment for at least a year before they reapply. You would have to be specific if you are referring to any other form of government assistance.

No. Mike D. I am not talking about the Postal Service. I am talking about citizens in this fine city! My business is single family rental homes. I have them in Florida & New Mexico.....unless you have a specific situation that puts you in a position to know how the middle class is being fleeced. Then like most, you have no idea how bad Welfare fraud is. I know for a fact how they exploit the system, and abuse the good will of the middle class. When the gravy train stops, and it will, we will all see how degraded society is, and how the Democrat welfare & entitlement policies has DESTROYED AMERICA!

Patriot,
First, the Postal Service was a joke, I'm apologize for not pointing that out. As far as the Welfare system which has been in place since the late 1800's isn't Obama's fault. People milking the Welfare system isn't any administrations fault, if they have been doing it for 20 years. Seems to be the fault of both parties, and the entitlement politics you speak of is with both parties. Neither of the two parties want to fix the issues, just create more issues.
Welfare is another government organization that does need restructuring (no where close to the worst or even in the top 100). Like many government organizations. Strangely enough, a great example is the Postal Service, we keep dumping more bad money into an organization that needs to be restructured. But Congress doesn't want to make the hard decisions needed to restructure and save billions of tax payer dollars. The average postal delivery person makes approximately $20,000 than you average college graduate.
As far as a situation where I know how government is fleecing Americans. Federal Government Contractor with many lobbyst friends. I'm quite aware how the organization is run, not by two states but on a national scale.

Apologize, not billions, but $100s of millions

Temporary Aid? Are you out of your mind? Section 8 is recertified for the entitled sloths every year! You don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. And by the way, you did exactly what you are trained to do...calling me "bubba" lol.... I din't mind, heck, call me honkey, craker, tea-bagger....could care a less...sweetie!

Section 8 housing is being abused. There are a number of multi-millionare who own their own businesses who re-invest in their "company" in order to get section 8 benefits. It's not just sloths, it's people manipulating the system for their advantage.

Michael D....I would like to understand your comment.... @ 3:28. How are multimillionaires reinvesting....exactly! I know several landlords in my area, and I have never heard of a opportunity as you describe....

When I lived in an apartment complex on 4th Street, the section 8 complex before mine had 3 alone. The actual stats in St. Pete, i do not know. But nationally, somewhere between 2-5% of section 8 housing is going to those with "redirected" income.

To clarify, the apartment complex that was infront of the one I lived in had section 8 housing. 3 different people lived in that housing, own their own multi-million dollar business, and openly told us that they "re-invested" money, so the documents that showed to the complex owners and the government were accurate. It is just a loophole in the system.

JR,
If he was reponding to this statement:
"I see no reason for an able body American to be on public assistance for more 4 years, yet, here in St.Pete, I know of 7 families that have been collecting tax dollars for more then 20 years! "
Wouldn't he still be at least half right, because St. Pete is in the state of Florida? I know the lifetime portion is incorrect.

I stand corrected, when first enacted it was 24months lifetime and in 2006 this was changed to 60 months lifetime federally and to 48 months in Florida. To be eligible, you have to have assests of $2000 or less and cars needed for getting to and from work cannot total more than $8500. There is also a work requirement for all adults in the household. Anyway you look at it JR, the majority of people truly need this help to support their families. Looking at the big picture, it is a very small percentage of the budget and I get a bit annoyed at those who think of these families are taking advantage of the rest of us. Yes, in the richest country in the world, we still have too many people that earn below the poverty levels. Sure there are a small percentage that game the system, however to lump everyone who receives public assistance into one group is sterotyping and bigoted. Let me ask you this JR, when was the last time you contributed to a charitable organization or helped an individual person that has it worse off than you, bubba?

David, you have by passed the real entitlement rip off....Section 8. But I would like to respond to your other point about questioning JR's generosity to those in need...I am a member of a large church, and we help out a lot of people in need every year. I personally have contributed a small fortune over the years to help those out that need it. When our country was founded, it was on the principles of Christianity that we are all our brothers keeper, the fact that welfare and all entitlements are legislated now and forced down our throats by the Democrats and RINO's through taxation, and the continued assault on Christianity by both parties that we as a people are becoming less generous. For that, you can thank the continued vilification by the Government on the CHRISTIAN religion. What people may not remember from history, is, one of the first things a government must do to move into a socialist society, and then a communist one is.....remove the bible! Just like Hitler did! Then government becomes the religion!

Patriot,
I agree we are a society are becoming less generous. I don't think that the assualt on Christianity is as much through the government, as much as business sector. Christmas doesn't sell as much as it used to, partly because the expanded diversity of other religions in our nation. Partly because we had an administration that pushed Christian values as a reason for policy. As of 2010 76.8% of the American Population calmed to be Christian. So it as a whole isn't being stompped out. Now we are seeing an increase in taxation, because we as a country need it. We restoring taxes to the pre 2002 levels, which is good for the country as a whole. Reagan was smart to increase taxes, and Bush/Clinton were smart to keep them in. Bush shouldn't have taken them out, and Obama should have put them back in (Congress gets credit for getting them back in). The Freedom of Religion is a core believe of this country, but not Freedom from Religion. Most of our founding fathers were not Christians (John Adams was). Our founding documents are states of a society, not based on religion. Only mention of Lord is in the proper statement of the date. But we did believe in protecting our brother as you stated. It was solidarity as a nation, which we haven't had in at least 15 years.
FYI... Hilter bad example of removing the Bible, he used the Bible to show the evility of the Jews. They did burn books on Liberalism, American, Jewish Authors, and more.

Not angry in the least, JR. I just get weary of those who denegrate the poor and most neediest among us. My wife and I too donate as much as we can to others through financial donations and our time. A society is judged by how they treat the least of their citizens. How do you think we are doing as a society in regards to helping out the poorest among us? I wasn't attacking you or labeling you as uncaring, I merely asked a question as to what you are doing to help others. If like Patriot you are following the Republican playbook of denegrating and stereotyping the poor, then shame on all of you!